There are 6 the reason why you must by no means do a dumbbell chest fly ever once more, and I’m going to indicate all of them to you on this video. As a matter of truth, I’m not going to go away you hanging however reasonably I’m going to indicate you a chest fly train various that you are able to do at dwelling or on the health club that provides you with higher chest outcomes with out the chance of shoulder damage that comes with the normal type of this chest train.
To start out, you wish to have a look at the place of the shoulder and the chance to the joint when performing the dumbbell chest fly unsupported on a bench. Together with your arms held out to the edges, there is no such thing as a safety in opposition to hyperextension of the shoulder with fatigue. Do you have to fail with the train, even when utilizing lighter weights, you don’t have anything inbuilt to the motion that may defend the anterior capsule of your shoulders.
Should you examine this to the ground fly variation the place you’ve the ground to forestall this undesirable joint stress and even the standing variation proven on the finish of this video, you’ll rapidly see why that is one thing you merely don’t have to introduce to the motion because it isn’t going to get you a much bigger chest by doing it.
Subsequent, I point out the truth that you are able to do a standing model of horizontal adduction of the arm. When potential, you must all the time try to select train variations that permit you to practice in your toes reasonably than lay on a bench. Whenever you wish to practice like an athlete, coaching with floor based mostly actions goes to be extra helpful because it incorporates extra muscle tissue, the core will get fired up extra considerably and it interprets higher to operate.
Again on the bench nevertheless, along with the vulnerability of the shoulder within the unsupported place you additionally rapidly notice that to accommodate the weak point on this place it’s essential lighten the weights considerably. This supplies much less of a mechanical overload to the muscle you are attempting to work right here (the pecs) which might make this an inferior selection when making an attempt to develop muscle. Actually, you would solely use sufficient weight that could possibly be safely dealt with within the backside place despite the fact that the chest reaches its level of most contraction on the high of the motion and is stronger there.
Within the standing crossover fly nevertheless you’ve the least quantity of pressure on the pecs when they’re at their weakest and probably the most quantity of pressure on them when they’re at their strongest. The place of peak contraction coincides with probably the most quantity of pressure being positioned on the pec muscle tissue. The cable can simply be substituted for a resistance band as effectively in the event you favor to coach within the dwelling reasonably than a health club.
Subsequent, the stretch that individuals argue they really feel extra intensely with a dumbbell chest fly shouldn’t be actually one thing that exists. What you’re feeling shouldn’t be a stretch within the pecs however reasonably a extra intense stretch within the coracobrachialis muscle. Each the pec main and coracobrachialis connect to the humerus however the latter attaches additional down the arm. Solely it’s influenced by the dropping of the arm a bit extra on the fly (albeit slightly bit) whereas the pec main stays comparatively unchanged in size. That is due to the extra proximal attachment having much less journey because the distal humerus drops.
It is best to get the identical quantity of stretch on the pecs within the backside portion of the bench press as you’d within the backside portion of the fly. What you’re feeling nevertheless is a extra intense stretch within the cartilage of the rib cage in the event you correctly arch your chest as you carry out the train.
For all of those causes, you possibly can see that the dumbbell chest fly shouldn’t be a superior possibility when coaching your chest. The cable standing model of this lets you match the load higher to your power curve and supply extra of an overload whereas eliminating virtually the entire danger to the shoulder that’s widespread of the dumbbell variation plus it will get you in your toes, in a extra athletic coaching place.
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Flies cause shoulder pain when it’s a new exercise in your routine. Once your muscles acclimate and stabilize, they are one of the best chest exercises. Arnold swore by them. I prefer dumbbells as they are more practical than cables. Nothing is ever linear in life, the stabilization & motion of the dumbbells would translate to more functional gains. That’s just my opinion.
It’s like the difference between a classic squat & leg press.
You can do both, but you only really need the squat.
Thank you. I've listed weights all my life (and I'm old). But I didn't know this.
I do agree that bench flies are horrible, that's a great point Jeff!
However, one-sided cable flies are way too easy to cheat on for me to attempt them (besides the fact that I don't have a gym).
Thank you so much that was really helpful 🙏🏻, you always provide us with many things which will help us avoid risks of getting injured
just realized where did I get my injure… thanks for the alternate advices
Thank you.
I was about to do dumbbell flys that I haven't done in ages…Forget it.
Where should I adjust the cable in proximity with my body before doing this exercise? Shoulder length?
54 here, still doing flyes. For 28 years already.
Better chest builder than bench press.
Arnold was right.
And many other bodybuilders as well.
Just keep the weight moderate.
Nothing below 50 kg dumbbells .
(kidding)
He trying to say that cable better for going all motion so have your cables on the floor beside you and do your fly chest on bench but this time with cables x10 chest burn sexy chest soreness that makes you want massage it every sec
Am very sure we are not that stupid to keep doing it with dumbbells if we had a string but still fly chest 5kilos better chest growth than 50kilos bench press barbell even pushup isn't that much effective on chest muscles fly chest the best for people who's have only dumbbells in their house Give me a like if you agree
With every nice body there must be a really pricey diet, ain't that right Jeff 👍
Jeff what if there's no cable or band only dumbbells
Is it a good idea to do it on the cable fly more control ?
Everybody’s gangsta till Jeff pulls out his muscle markers
And here I've always LOVED doing bench flys. Looks like I saw this video not a moment too soon.
I feel like when I do the workout you suggest with the cable machine all of the tension is in my shoulder, not my chest.
oh wow I have to start with his movement today Thank you
Thank you. I won’t ever do on the bench again
What an animal.
Thanks for the cable fly recommendation! Tried it for the first time and never going back. My chest is sore in ways it has not been in a long time!
This is a really great video with really great points, glad I found it. Thanks
good advice. i also crawl across the gym on all fours in case i injure my legs by walking
Jeff the dumbell fly is one of the main excercises that really activate me chest!
U should do more flys then u might have a chest
What about machine flys
Dumbell bench flys are actually a pretty decent exercise if performed correctly, and especially safely. Maybe not as good as standing cable flys (but do it with both arms, wth is that one arm stuff), but they don't really work the muscles in the same way.
Just use lower weights and make sure to have your elbows/shoulders at a safe angle as to not put a bunch of tension on them.
around the world fly with dumbells a good safe workout?
Standing fly maybe?
bro nothing has added more size to my pecs than flys..stop reaching so far out and 10" apart at the top …your chest sux..so there's that
Love you Jeff. Thanks. You and Huberman are a Godsent with your knowledge and sharing with us🥰
I'm curious if you recommend the cable fly for someone with a healed pec tear? I tore my right pec, both heads, badly about six years ago. I had surgery the following week and it was completely successful. The only thing is that I have a three inch scar that blends in with stretch marks. I have no deformity whatsoever, great surgeon! Anyway, after a few months of therapy I started lifting again but I do much lighter weights. For example, prior to the tear I was starting bench with 225# for 22 reps. Now, I start straight bar bench at 170# for 30 reps and keep the same weight since I'm already pretty fatigued after that first warmup. I also do incline bench with a bar and dumbells but I have NOT done ANY dips or flyes since my surgery, for fear of redamaging the pec. Since I will still avoid the DUMBELL fly, since I agree completley with your review of that exercise, it seems like the cable fly would be alright since I won't allow my arm to stretch too much at the start of the movement. Great video Jeff, thanks!
I haven't done bench flies for years, doing cable flies..but today, too many people at gym so instead of waiting, i decided to do bench flies. A few hours later, i have pain in one spot.. Now i remember why i never do bench flies.
For cable .. Do u reco the one hand like u show in this video, or using the two hands regular fly?
Thanks for the tips. I have a teenager who wants to train and this is so helpful. You basically said what I always felt, but didn't know how to express.
great video as always!
I was doing bench flys earlier and thought about it just not feeling super useful at a lot of points. I am gonna make the switch to the cables, or at least on the floor if I can't get out to the gym.
Thanks great video!
Nope, fly forever